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2010 Mock Draft v1: There is a god and its name is Mayhew
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Good work, sir. I like it.
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well, today certainly changed quite a bit. correct me if im wrong, but i believe the lions went from #4 to #2, and now have a very likely shot at house of spears suh.
when millen was in charge, i argued it was better to keep calvin johnson than trade down for picks, since he was so dumb he would fuck anything up that wasnt a cant miss. mayhew's first class suggests he may be different. with the discussion last week of suh being worth calvin johnson and the lions first pick (i thought this was ridiculous), i would definitly be interested in trading down.
i saw suh play some and was really good. but my concern is that he's good at a lot of things, but maybe not great enough at one thing to warrant that high of a pick. and the track record of drafting DT that high is dreadful. to me, even if your wrong and suh does pan out, as long as you get value in return its not a huge loss, since we need to fill up our roster.
also, is larry foote coming back? i thought he was just using the lions for one year?
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Originally Posted by b-diddy
also, is larry foote coming back? i thought he was just using the lions for one year?
Well, the idea was that he would use them to show that he can still be a stud starter and then get a new contract elsewhere. Did that really happen? I could see him sticking around.
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He was also about coming home. He wanted to prove he was a 3-down player, which I don't think he did (he got beat on coverage quite a bit). Then, the idea was that he'd sign a higher money long term contract here and finish his career.
I would love to have him back for a reasonable price, but he's not worth overpaying, especially when we drafted Levy to be our MLB of the future (not sure if that's still the plan).
I hope he sticks around, though. Solid vet. I don't know what he'll want to do, I'm confident the Lions FO won't overpay for him to stay the way they wouldn't overpay much for anyone last offseason.
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Nice Draft. The good thing about today's games is the Lions improved their draft position, so you may be able to substitue Suh for McCoy. Could STL go Suh or Berry with their first pick to avoid having to pay a QB with the first pick?
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I love the Brandon Graham pick, I think he is a steal in the 2nd round.
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Whether or not we are able to pick Suh, at least we know we're going to have the option of McCoy and Berry (and possibly Suh).
I just don't know about STL drafting another d-linemen after getting burnt by a few of them recently. (this frightens me for the Lions too)
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Originally Posted by darkobetterthanmelo
I love the Brandon Graham pick, I think he is a steal in the 2nd round.
Yeah, I agree. His motor never stops.
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Originally Posted by WTFchris
Yeah, I agree. His motor never stops.
Can he make a car for me?
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I want the Ravens to draft Graham, got damnit.
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Don't get the hopes up... history shows the Lions wil fuck it up and beat da Bears.
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I still remember that field goal against the Saints a few years back.
Who did that cost them, anyways?
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freaking awesome work Doctor
and I want Suh bad.......for the simple fact that I could yell "YES SUH!" after each sack
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I wonder if it would be possible to get Iupati in Rd 2. He'd solidify the left guard spot, help with the run, and solve a dire need.
I think Raiola/Peterman/Cherilus are fine on the right side. None are world-beaters but Goz is improving and Raiola is an above-average Center.
I think Backus will be a salary dump. I would much rather see the Lions fill the LT spot via free agency. There are several UFA's who could fill the void and are young enough to warrant a long-term deal. Jahri Evans and Marcus McNeill are the two biggest names, however it's possible both will get slapped with the franchise tag in the offseason.
As for the draft, I'd like to see...
Rd 1 - Defensive Tackle (Ndamukong Suh or Gerald McCoy)
Rd 2 - Offensive Guard (Mike Iupati) OR Corner (Brandon Ghee/Ras-I Dowling)
Rd 3 - Strong Safety (Darrell Stuckey or TJ Ward)
They should address defensvie end and linebacker via free agency. They might cut Julian Peterson (I don't think it would be a smart move) and if they do, they should explore moving Levy to SLB and make a run at Kirk Morrison who is a UFA. Or Option 2, cut Dewayne White, move Peterson to DE (he leads the team w/ 4.5 sacks this yr) and then move Levy to SLB and sign a FA MLB like Morrison.
At corner, I don't think Buchanon will be back (much like Bodden a year ago) and it doesn't make sense to invest into an elder like Will James. It's imperative they draft a CB who can start right away and also sign an FA or acquire one via trade. Cortland Finnegan, whos not having a great year, could be available and would make sense. Dunta Robinson would also be ideal, but he's going to command top dollar.
And finally, they need a Strong Safety to complement Delmas. What I dont understand is why the hell Mayhew didn't put a claim in on Bernard Pollard after he was cut by KC after preseason. The Texans ended up signing him and he's had a great season. The guy was coming off a Pro-Bowl calier season, and was only 24 when he was cut!!! But instead we've gone through a laundry list of different SS's (Henry, Marvin White, Ko Simpson, Marquand Manuel, Jahi Word Daniels, Kalvin Pearson, Jack Williams) and haven't even come close to filling the spot.
long offseason ahead...I just hope Mayhew has a plan
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Other random thoughts...
We also need a backup QB (Shaun Hill?), Runningback Especially if K. Smith starts the yr on PUP (LenDale? Leon Washington? Norwood? Fargas? Harrison?), and a #2 WR (Braylon?).
I think they'll also cut Grady Jackson. And they probably won't try to re-sign Larry Foote or Anthony Henry. Northcutt could be cut also.
What pisses me off are these players we wasted high draft picks on, that are never going to be groomed to be starters. Jordon Dizon, Andre Fluellen, Drew Stanton, Derrick Williams...
You could also throw Ikaika and Gerald Alexander in that group even though neither are here anymore.
I think they struck gold with Delmas, Levy and Sammie Lee Hill. And I hope they re-sign Jason Hunter who has shown some flashes of competence and is only 26. I also think Aaron Brown can be groomed into a servicable all-purpose H-Back (poor mans Reggie Bush).
Will Heller proved to be a nice, cheap FA signing and can spell Pettigrew next yr. Mo Morris has proved to be a nice depth guy. Manny Ramirez would be better as a reserve where he can be more versitale rather than starting.
Worthless guys who have no real future/upside include Landon Cohen, Kevin Hobbs, Drew Stanton, Jerome Felton, and Turk McBride
Ok, done venting. I still have hope...
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im pretty skeptical of our ability to sign a quality left tackle. usually teams dont let the good ones get away. i also think its the most important position to address this offseason, so i dont think suh is realistic, unless we have a diamond in the rough we think we can get in the second round.
a more plausible plan to me is signing shaun rogers back (he was talking detroit during the season), and then either taking okung at #2 or more idealy trading down some slots and picking up addition 2nd and 3rd rounders. hopefully, st louis goes qb and suh explodes in the combine. i think this is fairly realistic, since theyll be in the same position we were last year with stafford.
but it looks like we done good with stafford. we should have took oher rather than pettigrew, but oh well. we cant let next year's line look anything like this year's. the lions, im sure, know this. that whole backus backing was bull. believe half of what you see and nothing that you hear, as they say.
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How does Shaun Rogers magically become a free agent, b?
And Wil, if you think we're going to have any pull with FA's to fill spots like MLB or CB, get real. We will be lucky to get any top names on the market.
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http://www.cleveland.com/browns/inde...ogers_rep.html
its from feb, but i've read more recent stuff discussing him leaving cleveland. but it may have been cleared up, the last i heard i think it was the preseason still.
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Originally Posted by DrRay11
How does Shaun Rogers magically become a free agent, b?
And Wil, if you think we're going to have any pull with FA's to fill spots like MLB or CB, get real. We will be lucky to get any top names on the market.
We will have to overpay, obviously. But we're kidding ourselves if we think we can only build our team via the draft.
You have to strike gold on some FA signings to be competitive and looking back, we may have done worse on FA's than drafting, even in the Millen era.
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Just off the top of my head, some bust Millen/Mayhew FA' signings...
Bill Schroeder
Az-Zahir Hakim
Corey Harris
Todd Lyght
Tai Streets
Jeff Garcia
Josh McCown
Brock Marion
Edwin Mulitalo
Ross Verba
Rex Tucker
Rick DeMulling
T.J. Duckett
Jamar Fletcher
R.W. McQuarters
Shawn Bryson
Olandis Gary
Michael Gaines
Fernando Bryant
Idrees Bashir
Wali Rainer
Earl Holmes
Bryant Johnson
Larry Foote
Corey Bradford
Grady Jackson
Phillip Buchanon
Kalvin Pearson
Eric King
Daniel Loper
Jon Jansen
Dan Wilkinson
Marcus Pollard
Tatum Bell (acq. via trade)
George Foster (acq. via trade)
Leigh Bodden (acq. via trade)
Dwight Smith
and only a few Decent FA signings by Mayhew/Millen...
Dre' Bly
Stephen Peterman
Dewayne White
Moran Norris (albeit he was only here for like 8 weeks)
Jon Kitna (best QB of the Millen era)
Mo Morris
Mike Furrey (one yr wonder)
Shaun McDonald (one yr wonder)
Mikhael Ricks
Jason Hunter (i like him)
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I'm not sure I agree with all of those. Earl Holmes was a good signing (but he never should have been counted on as much as he was). Duckett was a fine signing (was a 3rd RB for cheap). I haven't seen any Lions games this year besides Turkey Day, has Foote been bad? McCown was a 3rd string QB, what do you expect there?
The biggest problem is guys that were signed for depth had to be counted on because so many draft picks were busts.
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Yeah, and Bodden was a bust because he was used wrong.
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Jon Jansen was just a vet backup for a season, that's not bad.
Fernando Bryant was injury-plagued but I suppose that still qualifies as a bust. He wasn't terrible when he actually was on the field.
Wasn't Az Hakim supposed to be a #3 receiver and got forced into the #1-#2 role, or did Millen actually think he could be a top receiver?
I thought Dan Wilkinson was a great pairing with Rogers in the middle of the d-line. I wouldn't call him a bust.
I'd put Northcut on that list. Guy's a quality #4 receiver but he shouldn't be the #3. If we got a quality #2 and bumped Johnson and Northcut down a spot in the depth chart, we'd be much better off.
I'd have to agree with WTFchris on the issue of depth guys, though. Quite a few of those players were brought in for depth then were pushed to the starting role. That doesn't quite qualify them as a bust. That would be like calling Vick a bust in Philly if McNabb went down. They didn't sign him to be the starter, so it shouldn't be the full criteria.
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Also, why don't you think Buchanon will be back, Wil? I don't think he's a stud CB by any means but he's probably better than anything else we'd get. I say hold onto him for another year.
I don't think moving Peterson to DE would be a great move. Having him play some DE would be fine, but making him the starting DE is a bit of a stretch. He had 4.5 sacks but they weren't all from that position. Most were from LB where he wasn't fighting through OTs to get to the QB.
How would Sammie Hill fit as a 3-4 DT or DE? I haven't really thought about it much, but I was pretty intrigued by the idea of a 3-4 last offseason and Peterson would be solid as an OLB in a 3-4.
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Originally Posted by Zekyl
Wasn't Az Hakim supposed to be a #3 receiver and got forced into the #1-#2 role, or did Millen actually think he could be a top receiver?
Az and Bill were signed to be the top 2 guys here. Something they never were until Millen thought they were. We had Germaine Crowell but he had two injury plagued seasons before that. No way we counted on him as a top 2 WR. We drafted Scotty Anderson as a depth guy. Otherwise Millen was counting on breakout years from Az and Bill and got less than 600 yards a piece. I also remember a huge amount of drops.
Aside from CJ, he was truly terrible at finding WRs, despite a lot of resources spent there.
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Originally Posted by WTFchris
Az and Bill were signed to be the top 2 guys here. Something they never were until Millen thought they were. We had Germaine Crowell but he had two injury plagued seasons before that. No way we counted on him as a top 2 WR. We drafted Scotty Anderson as a depth guy. Otherwise Millen was counting on breakout years from Az and Bill and got less than 600 yards a piece. I also remember a huge amount of drops.
Aside from CJ, he was truly terrible at finding WRs, despite a lot of resources spent there.
Oh god, Scotty Anderson. I guess I was just HOPING that we hadn't counted on either of those guys to be a #1 receiver. That's just terrible.
Wait, you mean to tell me that Mike Williams didn't work out?
I'm one of the few that don't hold the Charles Rogers thing entirely against Millen. He was looking like a stud before he broke his collarbone twice and apparently lost all motivation to have an NFL career...
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I agree, but did Charles Rogers show any warning signs before? Any red flags like drinking problems, possible suspensions, failed drug tests? This stuff should have came out in his interview.
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Buchanon won't be back because he was paid like a #1 corner and didn't even get an INT. Personally, I don't want to cut him, I think he'd be a solid #2 or depth guy, but he's not going to take a paycut and there are cheaper options who can give you the type of production he gave us this past year.
He's this year's "Leigh Bodden"...
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He had drug problems in college, IIRC. Should have taken Andre.
I also bet they'll hang on to Buchanon another year unless they can get someone else lined up. Bodden was due twice as much as Buchanon is this year.
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If Buchanon would've gotten just one INT (even Bodden managed to snag one last yr), I'd feel better about his chances.
Instead he was outplayed by Will James and Kevin Hobbs who combined made less than half of Buchanon's salary.
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Also, on a side note, we would've just signed Bernard Pollard off waivers back in August (we had first dibs) our SS problem would've been solved right now.
Mayhew blew that one and instead settled for Marcus McCauley...
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Agreed, I was calling for us to get Pollard. For shame.
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WalterFootball has us getting Suh in the 1st and then Jahvid Best in Rd 2 (passing up Taylor Mays) and then has us getting Trevard Lindley (CB; Kentucky) in Rd 3 while passing up Brandon Graham....
Interesting.
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Getting Suh/Mays/Graham would be a hell of a draft, IMO.
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Worst comes to worst, you move Mays to linebacker and have a 6'4 225 pound freak playing OLB.
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^^Agreed, that would be great. Really solidifying that defense... then take a guy like Brandon Carter in the 4th and Freddie Barnes in the 5th.... We should be able to pick up some kind of corner in free agency, there are a lot available this year
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Team Defense Rank (yards given up):
1) Jets
2) Packers
3) Ravens
4) Bengals
5) Steelers
6) Vikings
7) Broncos
8) Panthers
9) Cowboys
10) Redskins
Only the Steelers, Broncos, Panthers and Redskins missed the playoffs and 3 of those 4 were 8-8 or better.
Defense still wins.