What could we get for Stuck?

[Hermy]

Let's just say Joe decides to push the chips all in. Lump him with someone else, what kind of impact guy could we get? Kaman? Deng? Josh Howard? Butler?

[Glenn]

I think you could get an awful lot, mostly because of his low, locked in salary.

That said, that's the same reason that it makes almost no sense to move him, IMO.

I think you could get any of the guys that you mentioned, maybe not Caron Butler (but Rasual, yes!)

[Zekyl]

I don't think I would want to trade him for any of those guys though. Not even because of his salary. I'd rather have Stuckey on my team than any of the players mentioned, exept maybe Butler.

[Hermy]

I would trade him and Dyess for every one of them, but that's not for this thread.

What would you want for him then?

[Zekyl]

You would trade Stuckey and Dyess for Deng? Really? A year ago I'd have thought about it, but after the season he had last year I feel much less confident in him. Kaman I'm not sure of. I love his game, but I don't know because of Stuckey's potential. Josh Howard, not a huge fan, but I guess he is really good so that one I'd have to debate.

[Hermy]

You would trade Stuckey and Dyess for Deng? Really?

Yeah, I'm not high on Stuck.

But again then, what does everyone want for him? I'm not tossing out honest trade deals here, just requests.

[Higherwarrior]

i didn't say you said you weren't high on him. hermy said that, not you.

[Hermy]

i didn't say you said you weren't high on him. hermy said that, not you.

Well then. I'm not high on him for 2 reasons(compared to average pistons fan):

Because you had to use the word "potential" over and over. To me, he has no more potential than Ty Thomas had a year ago (or JO 10 years ago to be fair). It's just a dangerous word to use. Stuckey could suck. Really. He may be a borderline starter for his career. I don't expect it, but sometimes people fall short of expectations. He may never develop a 3, he may never shoot better than 42% for his career.

And I'm not sold because I'm just not sure he's a point guard. I know the league is changing into one amorphous player and the era of the pure point is dead, but despite his propensity for the occational great assist he misses bits of the offense at times. Maybe that rythm comes with more playing time, but most of the greats (which is what some here are calling him) just have that spark from birth. I worry about his ballhandling, especially after the guy had to be pulled for Lindsey in that first game Cbill missed in the ORL series. Teams will find a weakness in a playoff series, and they will exploit it. Clutch shots are great, but he needs to have consistency as well.

Here's why I'd deal him. I'm a "the Doyle Alexaqnder deal was worth it" kind of guy. If we kept Smoltz he would have been great on a .500 team for a few years, then left as a FA. I say put all your chips on the table and go for titles now. We Piston fans are a bit spoiled. Titles are very, very rare. I'd hate to have an allstar pointguard manning our bad basketball team. The Grant Hill era sucked. If you have a chance to get a stud today, I say do it. Fuck the future.

That said I like him more now than I did at the end of the year, and liked him more after the playoffs than before they began....the season....summer league....you get it. He's growing on me. I don't hate the kid, I didn't start the thread to poop on him, I just want to know what value other people place on him.

[WTFchris]

None of those guys do much for me. I like Deng and Howard, but both are wings and cannot play PG (much harder to fill). I like Kamen of course, but why would LA want Stuckey anyway when they have Davis and drafted Gordon?

[Zekyl]

I don't even know what I'd want from him. I just am not as high on Deng as I used to be. He was poised for a breakout season and he flopped, from what I've heard.